Kayden Kross has now come forward in support of Stoya.
I also spoke to Bonnie Rotten who simply said that James Deen is on her “no list”, she didn’t say anything good or bad, simply that she will not work with James Deen again. To me at least this one speaks volumes.
A Producer had this to say:
I was told about your story on James Deen. I’m proud of you that you ran it. I had a perfomer that we run a site for on set in tears and could barely speak when she told us of an incident with James Deen. She is a tough girl too so I was taken back by her emotions. She had a nose job that was still a little tender but ok. She told James to make him aware before this shoot she had with him and he did not listen and purposely pinched her nose very rough while giving a blow job. We have heard this countless times on set with other performers over the years of him being overly rough and not taking no for an answer. I tweeted before about my thoughts on him years ago. I am speechless as to why he has been so rewarded and recognized over the years. It blows my mind. We have to be better than this. This is why at times our industry gets such a bad reputation.
He needs to be reminded of Jack Venice who is currently in prison for life. He use to do this shit too on set. It happened to me off set so I know this type of behavior is a red flag big time.
Thanks for listening.
Why do I get the feeling this wont be the last of this…whoever is doing Jame’s PR is in a tough spot…stop the bleeding…
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Yeah, but all these HUGE names coming out only when the cows have left the stables are equally disgusting, to be honest. And i don’t know what hurt this industry most if a guy not taking a no for an answer or tens of girls and producers protecting him until it becomes convenient to do otherwise.
If the allegations were true, the only one coming out clean in this story is Stoya.
I know the focus is on James Deen now, but I bet he’s not the only porn guy who does this kind of stuff. The porn industry needs to make a safer environment for it’s workers. Hopefully this is a wake up call to the industry. The porn industry can bury its head in the sand and say illegal distribution and ect destroyed porn sales…but NAH it’s probably this kind of thing right here. (IE: Look at how Adele’s 25 sales are through the f’in roof in an age where people do not buy cds or full albums anymore). Gonzo porn took off like wildfire, and now there’s rosebudding and other disgusting stuff, and this kind of behavior on set is the direct consequence of that…Listen doing that kind of stuff changes you. Trauma changes not only the victim, but the abuser. How many articles have been written about porn, where the demand for porn is so insatiable for hardcore subscribers that they have do things like rosebudding to keep interest? That’s disgusting (creative way to make money, I’ll say that). And those same articles (scholarly included) say that viewers of extreme porn become messed up in the head? That they can no longer get off to regular sex and regular porn? Well where are the studies of the people who participate in extreme porn? It changes you, that’s for sure.
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Yet another reason I much prefer Girl/Girl porn…
Listen, it is very simple: if James Deen will turn to be guilty, the whole industry will turn to be guilty, including producers and all his partners who now all of a sudden seem to come out with allegations. This guy hasn’t shot three scenes a year. This guy has been chosen as the front face of the industry for many consecutive years, now. If it will turn out that he is guilty, the whole industry knew already and they have done nothing in all these years. This means that after James Deen there will be someone else who will be equally covered in the name of profit. Because all this industry care about is profit and all the other bla bla blas about performers rights, ethics, condoms, no condoms etc are just smoke in the eye to cover the shit that many unprofessional players of this industry drop from their asses in the name of profit.
Where was Kink who shot Deen millions of times until yesterday? Shall we believe that they didn’t know it, if he was what everybody is depicting him now? Where were all the girls that now are coming out with allegations before Stoya’s tweet? Where was everybody? I tell you where they were: they were covering each other asses and ready to stab the first “victim” of someone who eventually broke the code of secrecy.
If Deen will be poven guilty and the industry didn’t know before then they are all a bunch of retarded, incompetent idiots. And we all know that many may be retarded and even many more incompetent, but none of these people are idiots. So, if James will be guilty they will all be equally guilty.
First off Bonnie Rotten is Pregnant and quit doing BG scenes in the beginning of January so probably not the best person to talk to.
Second it needs to be established when this alleged “Rape” happened with Stoya.
Third, as for Kink, I think they are covering their asses.
@Ivy
Great post. You can be sure he isn’t the only one that goes too far. We all know the stories, and even the bullying that goes on when a girl is passing her limits and they play the guilt card about cancelling the scene and her not getting paid( when she has already spent it in her head). There is plenty of discussion you can have about how porn guys generally view women and even if they like women at all. Not all porn guys love and respect women; the years of hard gonzo has attracted a certain type of man to the career who can use this as an outlet to vent how he wants to treat a woman. Stuff a guy could never get away with in a civilian setting.
I guess his porn career is in serious trouble now that a major company has sacked him and the number of accusers is getting long. However, this is porn! One can always find someone willing to pay to see them have sex; Deen will be a hero to some guys who will think all women lie about assaults or they all deserve it as they are “whores”. He will likely be able to sell scenes if he still wants to. So, maybe his career is not done, just on hiatus for a while.
Congrats on Bonnie being pregnant (before people start saying I am crazy just because a woman tats herself up to look like a ten-strike felon and has done gang-bangs doesn’t mean she can’t be a good parent, I don’t know how good of a parent she will be but her criminal record is clean and she seems to not be a drug addict or scumbag so give her a chance), I hope her baby is healthy and she enjoys motherhood.
Billy, Kink is probably covering their ass — now that these accusations are out they cannot afford to risk James ignoring a safeword and fucking some chick up on their set. However, I think a suspension with pay for scenes he was scheduled in before the suspension is appropriate (if these accusations somehow turn out to be baseless he should not lose pay because of them). I don’t think cutting all ties is appropriate until an appropriate investigation is finished and legal authorities determine whether charges are pressed or not (and if they are whether he is found guilty or not).
@joe totally agree, I mean look at all the sports stars who did wrong and they still have careers.
@Sabrina totally agree everyone is covering their asses. And I’m sure there were rumors and whispers, or screaming (Whatever) about Deen but he was a powerhouse. Anyone remember the Farrah Abraham and Deen shoot? The girl is a liar and a crazy attention getter, and I always take every single word she takes with a grain of salt.
But….makes you wonder.
I believe that when a guy is wrong, it’s time to man up and admit he’s wrong. So, man, was I wrong. About 5 PM I posted that you can’t flunk out of porn. Moreover, I suggested that this might only improve his standing with Kink. I go up for a run on the treadmill and dinner, come down three hours later and find out Kink dumped him. I did not see that coming.
I can buy the argument that someone made that Kink is covering its butt, especially with the Cameron Bay allegations. Still, this is pretty stunning.
Maybe you can flunk out of porn!
PS – even if the allegations don’t ruin Deen’s career as a performer, his career as a spokesperson for porn is over, especially when it comes to representing the industry on public issues. The next time Deen is asked to speak in Sacramento, all the opposition has to do is begin asking Deen questions about the articles that ran in the mainstream media today and the whole event becomes about him and not the issue.
“whoever is doing Jame’s PR is in a tough spot…”
Whoever is doing the PR better bail like everyone else… this situation has no upside.
I think what I find interesting is people or companies indicating they were not aware of this “reputation” he had. I am not in the porn industry yet I have heard rumors of him going too far, and I am just a guy on the internet who reads forums and has chatted and been friends with a few porn girls over the years. I am not “inside”. Hard to fathom people who work with him every day would pretend they didn’t know, I guess it’s just ass covering because “if you knew and didn’t say anything” would be pretty damning for any business.
@sabrinadeep, It took a comedian to make a joke about Cosby’s rape allegations for the public at large to take notice. That’s fucking sad. The allegations against J.D. are true. He’s a straight up sociopath. I agree with your statement regarding the industry as a whole protecting this scumbag.
I didnt see that one coming either and to me it says really clearly that this is not the first time that Kink has had problems with Deen along these lines…
@BT.. hi there, I wanted to respond to you yesterday but I locked myself out with my forgotten password:)… I find it interesting that you always had a dislike for JD scenes.. I know you don’t watch for the guys, but just the fact that you had a funny feeling about him and couldn’t watch them surprised me.. he was always the guy I could most tolerate because it seemed like he really cared/respected his partners.. I wonder what I was missing.
I think the porn industry needs to take a long look at why this problem (Deen the rapist) was allowed to go on for so long and what they are gonna do to fix the problem.
Gotta back up that truck a bit further. They (producers primarily) first need to acknowledge, at least to themselves, that the problem was deliberately being overlooked. While some of this was off set, personal relationships, there are a fair number saying there were on set instances. Someone had to know, other that just the performers involved.
Thanks for responding, Laura. And, hey, you aren’t alone in finding him easy on the eyes. Deen is certainly popular with women – the whole Deenager thing. For me, there was just something about him that turned me off. Part of it was the whole rough sex thing – first time I remember seeing him was in a scene with Ginger Lynn where he was smacking her breasts – hard to the point of leaving hand prints. That’s just not who I am. And, back in the beginning he was always mumbling stuff under his breath while he performed.
What can I tell you.
Oh okay..yea that would be off-putting.. I don’t think I even realized he did the hardcore things until quite sometime after learning who he was… Recent developments have sure surprised me, I definitely took him as the type that would Jump in to help if he saw anything out of line happening.. such a shame..but I’m of the belief that women don’t make this stuff up.. it humiliating and so hard for women to bring forward.
Source: http://www.dangerandplay.com/2015/11/29/how-we-know-the-stoya-rape-accusation-against-james-deen-is-a-hoax/
How We Know the Stoya Rape Accusation Against James Deen is a Hoax
NOVEMBER 29, 2015 BY MIKE CERNOVICH 60 COMMENTS
When a woman’s fame falls, the claws come out. And so one porn actress has accused another of raping her. The Stoya v. James Deen rape accusation has all of the telltale signs of a false accusation. I therefore label this the James Deen Rape Hoax.
Summary: Stoya accused her ex-boyfriend of rape on Twitter while simultaneously promoting James Deen on a website she owns. (That’s not a typo. Read on!)
How do we know James Deen has been falsely accused of rape by Stoya?
Hint: The rape fits the narrative.
A proper rape hoax must fit the narrative. Unethical women understand this.
The media loves a good rape, if and only if it fits the narrative. When porn actress Cytherea was violently raped in her home, the media ignored it. Why? Because the narrative was bad. The media does not give coverage to cases where a white woman was raped by black men.
For a good rape hoax, you need the right defendant – which means a white man. James Deen fits the profile, and it doesn’t hurt that Deen is a confessed racist. In an interview with Haaretz, Deen said he viewed blacks, Hispanics, and non-Jewish whites as being beneath him. (“The Jews know we’re better than everyone else. That’s all that matters.” – James Deen.)
The rape accusation against Deen is false to the point of absurdity.
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Stoya made the rape accusation on Twitter, not in a police station. Second, she mentions being a feminist in the Tweet, which is a total red herring. Finally and most damningly: She features her “rapist” on a website she owns!
Stoya accused James Deen of rape on Twitter.
If you want 7,500 RTs (and counting), falsely accuse a man of rape.
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Rape accusations belong in a police station, and rapists belong in jail. Yet time and again we’ve seen women bring their rape accusations to the public rather than the police. The Rolling Stone Rape Hoax was the most recent example of a publicity-seeker accusing men of rape in the media.
Stoya, as a famous porn star, understands how desperate a biased, bigoted, anti-male media is for stories of men being accused of rape.
By posting her accusation on Twitter, Stoya has been able to receive considerable press coverage, boosting her profile.
BuzzFeed, Mic, Daily Mail, and dozens of other news outlets have covered the James Deen Rape Hoax.
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Stoya mentions feminism in her false rape accusation.
Stoya specifically mentions feminism is her public rape accusation against James Deen. This is proof she seeks to interject ideology into what should be a police matter. She is also sending a bat signal out to SJW hate mobs.
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Stoya features James Deen on a website she owns.
Stoya owns a website called TRENCHCOATx (NSFW). On November 17, just 10 days before accusing Deen of rape, Stoya promoted this website. The link to her website remains Stoya’s pinned Tweet on Twitter.
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Her website features James Deen on the front page. (Archive link here; NSFW.)
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In what world does a woman feature her rapist on her website?
UPDATE: Stoya’s most recent scene, which you can purchase on her website, is with James Deen.
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Porn stars can be raped, and women can be raped by their ex-boyfriends.
SJWs with rabies and stupid people with poor reading comprehension are going to read a lot into this article. Let’s clear up some points.
Yes, porn stars and sex workers can be raped. Cythera was raped. Her case was a tragedy, even though it never made headlines.
It’s also possible for a woman to be raped by her boyfriend.
Stoya’s status as a girlfriend or porn star do not factor into my analysis.
Stoya’s rape accusation is false because it was made on Twitter in a desperate way to get attention to herself. She is clearly trying to get revenge against an ex-boyfriend.
Rape hoaxes harm women and men.
James Deen, if he’s lucky, will merely face SJW hate mobs and have his image destroyed. If he’s unlucky, this rape accusation ends with him in handcuffs.
Like many men before him, Deen is learning that women will violently attack any man who claims he’s innocent. I have already received death threats for insisting that we apply the presumption of innocence to Deen.
Moreover, false rape accusations harm women. I do not believe Stoya, as her accusation reads like every other rape hoax.
Every high profile rape accusation has turned out to be a hoax.
Rolling Stone rape hoax.
Duke lacrosse rape hoax.
Hofstra gang rape hoax.
In the unlikely event Stoya was raped, few will believe her. We’ve been lied to and now view all public rape accusations as false.
@billy Your source is bad, and what you posted is bad, and you should feel bad. The justification “It’s true because I said so”, is not proof of anything. In the entire article you posted, there is not one single word written that can be taken as fact. What you shared with us is an opinion article.
Ok? Opinion does not equal fact. The author is clearly able to voice his opinion, but that doesn’t make it right.
You can believe Stoya is lying about all of this, but that would be your opinion, and that doesn’t mean that opinion is a fact. Ok thanks for sharing and spreading the myth that Stoya is a bad person and a liar, I am sure she is heartbroken right now.
@ivy Just to add:
http://jezebel.com/kayden-kross-explains-why-james-deen-is-currently-featu-1745588198
“While we made the decision back then not to hire him going forward, we can’t undo the fact that he is featured in some of the scenes that Stoya directed during their relationship. We also can’t undo the fact that some of our licensors have shot James in their own projects. He is an able and popular performer. Stoya considered not releasing any of the content that she owned that featured James, but it was content that, if taken away from the whole, would have harmed the project that is her directorial debut.”
Full content of Kayden Kross’s blog can be found here, which addresses the situation:
http://unkrossed.com/old-shit/258-istandwithstoya
“This project will always belong to Stoya regardless of his actions. There are scenes that he also cashed checks for that Stoya has never released because she, as a woman, can’t stomach them. This is done solely at her discretion though. We have also given our licensors the option to remove scenes featuring him or continue to run them on TRENCHCOATx, but we extend the same right to them that we have protected for ourselves. The most recent scene featured on TRENCHCOATx does feature James. Our scheduling is slated months in advance and it’s admittedly bad timing that it happened to go live now, but our licensor stands behind it, and so we do too. This is also a movie filmed back in 2013, and also a scene that, if deleted, will ruin the project as a whole.”
For what it’s worth, it looks like xoxojoannaangel.com and burningangel.com have tried to remove most of the posts related to Deen. Deleting content is a big deal for her business.
I generally don’t make personal comments, but this could be the stupidest post I’ve ever read on MikeSouth.com.
I have to agree there Kaydens logic totally reeks and it gives the impression that the whole thing may have started as a PR stunt. If the scene is really a poor seller which I do believe then the smart thing to do would be to yank it…
I think Kayden shot herself in the foot here and if Stoya lets this stand it’s going to harm her goal of enough is enough how many times has the office said were gonna limit projects to a max crisis point of 80 hour weeks and here we are at 90 again?
To me, the problem with the argument that its a publicity stunt or a vindictive ex-girlfriend is that it doesn’t explain Joanna Angel or other performers expressing either their support of Stoya or sharing their own stories. Moreover, it doesn’t explain Doc Johnson, Kink and Evil Angel dropping Deen like a hot potato without even the chance to explain himself. The rapidity of their actions speaks volumes. (Plus, while you know her, and I don’t have a clue, I’ve never been as impressed with Kayden based on her writing as others).
Of course, per my earlier post, if this really is the act of a vindictive ex, James Deen has one heck of a lawsuit he can file against Stoya, any other porn chick who has spoken out against him, and perhaps even against production companies and Doc Johnson.
google “EVILANGEL STOYA AND JAMES DEEN BONDAGE” These two had a weird relationship.
This doesn’t come across as a vindictive ex or a PR stunt.
From the start I got the impression that Stoya was saying enough is enough for a long time. Those tweets were her line in the sand after one too many ”I mean it this time’ …’yeah okay whatever’ deals.
While Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned is true it would be a mistake to assume her fury is at Deen. She’s been there and done that more times than I can count in the past two years. This fury is aimed at at any and everyone who asked her suck it up just once more for the good of the team.
I think this has become a PR nightmare that looks like a circus sans program. Who can even count how many rings are active or what going on with all ‘rapid transit’ buses running over Deen converging under the media big top with the venders hawking hot peanuts and everyone running amuck?
Can lawyers or hospital residents be overworked? They knew what they getting into before grad school? That’s the ‘can sex workers be raped’ ring.
The ‘me too’ ring has enough going on that it could fill ten big tops .. Me too…exes, performers, content, off set, yikes!
Kaydens blog excerpts stand out in the FUBAR ring. The logic is on par with the press release that announced and ended Mike Kulich campaign for a FSC board position. To his credit he might have killed two birds with one stone if he could have unloaded his warehouse of compilations to compensate performers for the cost of testing.
@lurkingreader thanks for writing that. I wanted to say something, but couldn’t figure out what to say. I totally agree with you.
Joanna was on a radio show explaining her feelings about it. Definitely worth a listen for anyone who is interested.
http://jezebel.com/joanna-angel-details-ex-boyfriend-james-deens-alleged-a-1745916019